I’d urge you to have a poke around the old Bethesda forums, the teslore subreddit and elsewhere for some more fantastic perspectives on how Vivec can be perceived. This would also imply that Vivec was effectively “grooming” Jubal for the purpose, and has some rather interesting implications for hir relationship with Nerevar. And yet are not, save for one red moment. Most notably these passages in Sermon 13: “’The ruling king is to stand against me and then before me. We also have it that the worship of the people powered the Tribunal’s maintenance of the Great Ghostfence, so it is possible that that gave Vivec and the other Triunes the power to hold up the Ghostfence, and possibly perform other feats. There are several “lessons of ruling kings” scattered throughout the books, but as usual, I’m not 100% convinced that these are necessarily to do with CHIM. It is ours now. I may be reading far too much into this, but I think that Vivec intentionally left Lie Rock to fall and destroy Vivec City, in order to make hir people ready for a future without the Tribunal. The 36 Lessons also mentioned that Vivec and Molag Bal had children. From that text, it seems like ze is talking to Nerevar about a variety of things, which is possibly where they met in this version of events. Feel free to provide more information. Vivec’s spoken dialogue in The Elder Scrolls III was written by one developer (I think Ken Rolston? Vivec is a crack RPF writer. Truth is therefore a tool to achieve Vivec’s goals. The Dunmer are one of two races that we know survived the event on a moon colony, and then goes on to produce Jubal lun-Sul, who Vivec later marries and produces the Amaranth with. You have discovered the thirty-seventh Sermon of Vivec, which is a bending of the light, long past the chronicles of the Hortator who wore inconstant faces and ruled however they would, until apocalypse. Ze was always meant to be everything, as ze was always both. If you want more information on that, I have covered the Amaranth in a previous podcast, but I want to dip into Vivec’s relationship to it here. Vivec's Fire is mentioned more than a few times in the 36 Lessons. There’s a line in Sermon 4 where Vivec drinks the milk of a folded bone of the earth and “became a ruling king of the world”. We’re now going down a bit of a rabbit-hole, so bear with me. Next week we’ll be resuming our look at the Monomyth, where we’ll be diving into the Cyrodilic monomyth, Shezzar’s song. So it’s likely that it’s a manual in some ways, but it’s a little difficult to tease out. The ruling king must know this, and I will test him. Pure subjectivity is no longer possible; instead it becomes akin to sensory deprivation, yet without the fear, for we sense things that remind us of the dawn: the sacrifice into the stabilizing bones, new-built towers with broken intentions, and first metals gone blue from exposure to the long sun. - The Liber Legis "The fire is mine: let it consume thee, And make a secret door At the altar of Padhome, In the House of Boet-hi-Ah Where we become safe And looked after." Vivec is a liminal being, something that exists in the in-between state. We and our partners operate globally and use cookies, including for analytics. It’s pretty much impossible to separate out that from the benefits of CHIM, so we can’t know for sure whether Vivec has it. It’s a bit that the fans tend to get a little excited about, because it basically involves a lot of dick-waving. The 36 Lessons are, if they are written by Vivec, possibly a manual on how to attain CHIM, if you listen to various parts of the community. However, what we know of Nerevar’s history, as a war leader in House Indoril, makes that unlikely. If Vivec had it, then ze could certainly manipulate hir past so that ze was always a god, and account that we have in the 36 Lessons becomes true. The "Trial of Vivec" clearly states that beyond Mundus, Azura wasn't fully within Vivecs grasp. Ze is one of the most enigmatic characters in TES, and several people before me have put some fantastic thought pieces on hir nature, goals and intentions. We also have this statement about Vivec from Sotha Sil in ESO, which I think possibly sheds light on Vivec’s motives a little: Vivec craves radical freedom – the death of all limits and restrictions. Via the 36 Lessons, Vivec claims to be teaching the player how to avoid. This does actually include wanting to kill him. Or Vivec could be a lying murderer trying to cover up hir own wrongdoing with flowery language and a faked metaphysical event. The Tribunal ruled a theocratic nation for thousands of years, that was then scattered across Tamriel by a cataclysm following the death or disappearance of the Tribunal and the Red Year. ), and Michael Kirkbride wrote the 36 Lessons. We have this from Vivec and Mephala: The Dunmer do not envision Lord Vivec as a creature of murder, sex, and secrets. Complete the form below to notify iFunny of a claim relating to your intellectual property rights and content or some technical inconvenience with the service. I’ve also seen MUATRA the spear presented as a dancing pole, against which female sexuality is displayed. However, the common consensus seems to be that it happened later, during an event called the Pomegranate Banquet in Sermon 14. It’s also possible that, if Jubal is a Nerevarine, that Vivec is still desperately trying to make up for hir killing of Nerevar, even several eras later. If you want to check out my thoughts on C0DA in general, which goes over some of this, check out my previous cast on that topic. And he had written the 36 lessons of vivec. 2) I should write a Markov chain generator to write new lessons of Vivec. Patrons get access to all my content a few days early, as well as exclusive access to the notes I make for each episode. Vehk the God did not, and remains as written. MUATRA is an anagram for TRAUMA, after all. and assemble them, a secret message is revealed: "He was not born a god. From there, we can possibly assume they strike up a relationship (of some sort, either friendship or possibly sexual), and from there Vivec becomes an advisor to Nerevar. It also doesn’t receive its name until after Vivec’s encounter with the King of Rape in Sermon 14. That means that, when we want our own truth, we are excising the very things we are made of, and so nothing is left, nothing to navigate by, which results in something like sensory deprivation. Considering the other content of the 36 books, I wouldn't exactly consider it a reliable source. Vivec was borne by ribbons of water, which wrote their starward couplings in red. If that is true, it’s likely that Vivec met the other members of the Tribunal as part of Nerevar’s court; they were members of Chimer nobility, and likely already part of what would become the First Council. So quite what we can attribute to CHIM itself is an open question. He also potentially, probably, has CHIM, a state of enlightenment within The Elder Scrolls. Ze may have been a git, but I can’t escape the thought that ze was a git with a plan, that we can only really see the half of. We don’t know precisely how Vivec and Nerevar met. I’ve heard it said that the Children are elements of Vivec’s own personality that ze was shedding in the process of becoming a deity. In terms of how Vivec rises to prominence, ze is then spotted by Nerevar as something important, either on the road to Mournhold or in Mournhold itself, and raised up by him to be an advisor against the invading Nords. Given that, I’m a little surprised that Vivec isn’t explicitly a psychopomp in the Tribunal faith. That portrayal of the two beings in constant unity is what Vivec represents in one being. I will mark him to know. Given that, it feels like Bal may have helped Vivec attain CHIM during the Pomegranate Banquet. What?, and immediately thinking “all of the above”. I will murder him time and again until he knows this.”. He wishes to be all things at all times. This construction is very similar to the Hindu idea of yoni and linga, the female and male representations of Shiva and Shakti. I want to say, as usual, that this is my own understanding of who Vivec is, and definitely not the whole truth of the matter. Vivec does seem to have quite a dismissive opinion of gods in general. I state that the information in this notification is accurate and, under penalty of perjury, that I am the owner of the exclusive right that is allegedly infringed, or an authorized agent for the owner. He now runs 6 podcast, I think? However, the 36 Lessons also give us the best account we have of how to attain CHIM. Liked it? Then Vivec threw his ink on this passage to cover it up (for the lay reader) and wrote instead: Find me in the blackened paper, unarmored, in final scenery. Vivec’s spoken dialogue in The Elder Scrolls III was written by one developer (I think Ken Rolston? Seducing with words is something that poets do, and something that can be done to anyone, hence MUATRA being both male and female in its application. In the 36 Lessons’ telling, Nerevar is a mercenary captain, who then decides to follow Vivec. But Vivec can only be Vivec – not a new universe, not one that moves beyond it. Vivec found him in a grub field outside of the swamps of lessnos Deshaan Plain. Vivec is a crack RPF writer. The 36 Lessons has Nerevar meeting Vivec on the road to Mournhold as part of a merchant caravan. However, it is an honest vindication for truth and superhuman ideals, which means it should be regarded as such by our own sense of fault: we made this, we dreamed this, we made it viable by voting with our seductions, we will live again to show our genuine applause. You have discovered the thirty-seventh Sermon of Vivec, which is a bending of the light, long past the chronicles of the Hortator who wore inconstant faces and ruled however they would, until apocalypse. The most memorable being the blazing halo of fire around his head, and the line in Vivec's prayer, "The fire is mine, let it consume thee." So how did Vivec get the point of changing hir past and manipulating time? And on a similar note, he probably runs ff.net too. Vivec and the Ordinators have been killing all the Nerevarines to make sure that the Nerevarine eventually knows that Vivec must be removed. : the first word from book 1, the sixty-eighth from book 2, the three hundred and sixty-fourth from book 36, etc.) MUATRA, Or Mystical Dick-Waving as Therapy. Truth, as we’ll see later, is something that Vivec is not necessarily particularly invested in. There’s a sense of dreadful purpose in some ways with Vivec, that hir attitude to Nerevar encapsulates better than anything else. They do however contain a few points relating to the enantiomorph and the godhead, which are necessary parts of attaining CHIM. Despite that, we don’t know precisely when Vivec would have got it. There’s the dual aspect of warrior and poet, male and female, which for me is key to hir whole character. Nonetheless, the tale is firmly established in the Dunmer imagination, as if to say, “Of course Vivec would never have conspired to murder Lord Nerevar, but it happened so long ago… who can know the truth?”. The realisation is that a person can do and be many things, but does not approach many of those things for reasons that they barely acknowledge. 1 Summary 2 Powers and Stats 3 Gallery 4 Others Lord Vivec, also simply known as Vehk, is one of the ALMSIVI, the three immortal God-Kings of Morrowind, alongside Sotha Sil and Almalexia. Reflective of that duality, Vivec states in hir Trial that: “Vehk the mortal did murder the Hortator. 36 Lessons of Vivec, Sermon 1. For example, one of the most striking persistent myths associated with Vivec is the story that Vivec conspired with his co-rulers Almalexia and Sotha Sil in the murder of Lord Nerevar, the greatest of Dunmer heroes and generals. The Thirty-Six Lessons of Vivec: Sermon Thirty-One ... Cosmic time is repeated: I wrote of this in an earlier life. What’s important here is that if Jubal is a Nerevarine, then it’s possible that Vivec engineered the whole thing of the Nerevarine to be a redemption “engine”, maybe, for Tamriel. You can also support the show on Patreon. The latter is built from the cobbles of drawn-bone destiny. All of the multiples of 3 are associated with Vivec in some way, at least if you take the New Whirling School's reading on it. I also have a pet theory that the destruction of Vivec and Bal’s children is a metaphor for the Tribunal’s reshaping of Dunmer culture. Everything Vivec says take with a grain of salt because he has seen through kalpa's so he can say with certainty that things that never happened did happen because they happened in another time. We get there by way of numbers. Rather, they conceive of Lord Vivec as benevolent king, guardian warrior, poet-artist. If you have a perspective on this, please let me know on the Written in Uncertainty Discord. And… that’s all for this week. This is a little at odds with Vivec’s overall position in the Tribunal, as Sotha Sil is the Mage, which is the traditional Observer role. I did a cast on the concept itself a while back, so listen to/read that if you want to understand more about that topic itself. 36 Lessons of Vivec Vol 4. For now it’s enough to say that CHIM possibly gives those who achieve it the power to reshape reality. On the one hand, Nerevar is a treasured friend in many ways, who Vivec seems to regret killing. MK has noted Shiva in particular as a large inspiration for how he sees Vivec, and I think this is one of those big areas. If the Heart can be considered a bone, then folding it and drinking its milk could be an oblique reference to the use of Kagrenac’s Tools on the Heart. ESO, with its emphasis on the more spiritual, rather than ceremonial, worship in the Tribunal, puts another layer of voices on Vivec, meaning that we have many different ways to approach the character. Anyway, Myth tells various stories from real-world mythologies and explores how they all connect. It’s on hold at the moment, but I’m very interested to see what Tom goes out with when it picks back up again. However, I don’t have much truck with that, as they don’t seem to act much like Daedra, and Sermon 18 lists Vivec as one of hir own children. I think that both of these are likely true, given that Vivec in both ESO and Morrowind seems to be heavy with regret. I am the form he must acquire.”, “If there is to be an end I must be removed. I did some post-recording order jiggling to make the article flow better. And yet these two are the same being. The Loremaster's Archive is ESO's biweekly article on a TES lore subject. But that’s just my personal beef. The PR dept. A trap. Truth is like my husband: instructed to smash, filled with procedure and noise, hammering, weighty, heaviness made schematic, lessons learned only … You can also leave me a tip in the jar at Ko-fi. Please be specific. Every race, every gender, every hero, both divine and finite... but in the end, he can only be Vivec." And there are hidden messages in the book. The Lessons repeatedly present certainty as a bad thing, and truth as a problem. Jerk? Vivec wanting to do and be everything speaks to a very similar way of expressing this, particularly when we think about the Amaranth, that is becoming the seed of a new universe. Not all of this is immediately relevant to Vivec’s attitude to truth, but I think provides some context for the closing remarks on it, which certainly are. I’m really glad to be back into the swing of things, and sorry again for the long break. The Fire of Vivec. We have a much more grounded version of Vivec’s origins in the unlicensed text What My Beloved Taught Me. In addition, Kirkbride wrote dozens of the series' in-universe books. It’s about Vivec and the Tribunal and Nerevar and Morrowind and the Red Also , when you get to Sermon 36 read the first letter of every. I’ll be noting where the sources come from as I talk through them, so feel free to disregard any you don’t think are relevant. Can be found randomly in loot containers or be bought from general goods vendors. Vivec can never provide one answer or the other, but instead offers both as a solution. The most memorable being the blazing halo of fire around his head, and the line in Vivec's prayer, "The fire is mine, let it consume thee." It’s also down to hir nature as a poet, who, to quote a phrase, use lies to tell the truth. Until then, this podcast remains a letter written in uncertainty. Vivec was, or maybe is, in brief, a mortal who became a god, one of the Tribunal who ruled Morrowind for more than three and a half thousand years. I think, given the Red Year, it may well be the latter. On the other, Nerevar is someone who was disposable as part of the grand plan that Vivec had for the Chimer/Dunmer. I wrote of this in an earlier life. The former: walk like them until they must walk like you. It’s either that power that allowed the manipulation of time, or that of CHIM. I’ve seen several people say this is when ze realises that ze cannot obtain Amaranth. In order to learn how to move beyond limitation, you need to first be limited. This presents the Tribunal as a whole as a thing that is self-created, and Vivec in particular is something that is possibly the culmination of the Tribunal, being both the youngest Tribune and the one able to balance both Mystery and Mercy. I give my permission to pass my contact information to the alleged infringing party. Vivec himself started his trial regarding the crime of the murder on Nerevar. I was playing Morrowind just now, and as I was reading one of the 36 Lessons of Vivec, two thoughts came to me in rapid succession: These things sound like a Markov chain generator wrote them; I should write a Markov chain generator to write new lessons of Vivec; So I did. In the 36 Lessons, the Number of the Master is 11, 1 and 1. The Temple certainly puts a rather too rosy picture of what Vivec has done, but I’m not sure that we can see enough about hir motives. The New Whirling School is a guide to interpreting the rich, deep and challenging series of books, The 36 Lessons of Vivec. There are elements in the Lessons that imply that Vivec wrote them for the Nerevarine. This also has some implications about why worship the Daeda, but I think that probably deserves its own episode, as it’s a question that I see around a lot. And you can interpret the writing in sooooo many ways. Or potentially for Landfall. Required fields are marked *. A lot of the descriptions in the 36 Lessons link being a Ruling King to attaining CHIM, so it’s possible that it happened here. We also have Chad: A Fallout 76 Story, which is an audio drama that basically explores the question of what would happen if you were sealed in a vault with your school bully for most of your life, and had to live with them for the good of the community. Todd couldn't get in touch with Kirkbride and went to his apartment and found him in his underwear completely wrecked although he wouldn't have been able to write anything on hallucinogens, it was probably just coke, weed, and liquor galore. But I now want to talk a bit more about a totality that Vivec is in hirself; male and female. Molag Bal and Vivec have 9 children. Check that out for a good number of possibilities. Hir 36 Lessons are some of the biggest pieces of propaganda you’ll find in TES, although it’s not immediately obvious. However, we have multiple accounts of hir regret at the act of killing Nerevar, and ze also says ze regrets breaking hir oath, as well. Ze describes hirself there as “A gutter-get, a daggerlad, a netchiman’s son” who lives in alleyways and the streets of Mournhold. Yes, we’re going to talk about MUATRA. In addition to being a humble beginning, this is important because, as the Selectives Lorecast has pointed out, the creation of this egg is deliberate, and happens without the normal processes. Sermon 37 is why I say only the first 36 of the 36 Lessons portray Vivec as being birthed from an egg. Most notable is the 36 Lessons of Vivec series, which is a series of 36 "books" which tops out at over 100 pages. She is a Daedric Prince after all. Although, if we track the real-world development of Vivec, I’m sure I remember seeing a comment by MK that he didn’t have a clear conception of the Amaranth when he wrote the 36 Lessons, so I’m not sure that this is Amaranth as such rather than an expression of the idea of dharma, that a person or thing needs to follow what they were destined to be. Feeling poetic today? Majority of his 36 Lessons are … Sermon 21 of the 36 Lessons declares that “the only name of God” is “I”, the self that can become the Amaranth. If you’re interested in that universe, be sure to check it out. Vivec has been described as both in various places, I want to cover all possibilities here. One of them is explicitly called out as being Vivec hirself. What My Beloved Taught Me also has Vivec as a hermaphrodite from the beginning, the line â€œI was born a whelp-wench in my under”. The network is also running the Robots Roundtable, which is where whatever Robots Radio hosts are available get together to discuss news and/or some other things that they want to talk through with the various podcast hosts that are part of the network. However, there is also the manipulation of the Heart of Lorkhan that gave Vivec hir godhood. Ze was the Warrior-Poet of the Tribunal, and along with the rest of them tapped the Heart of Lorkhan to become gods, in a point called the Red Moment by the fans and in a few texts. That text presents a series of ‘could-have-beens’ for Vivec, which relate Vivec’s pasts as possibly becoming a troubadour and dying of a fever. Sermon 1 of the 36 Lessons actually says that “Ayem took a netchiman’s wife”, and then seemingly spoke Vehk into being by declaring that ze was inside her as an egg. No doubt countless hours and thought went into the writing of this Metaphysics series. The 36 Lessons has Nerevar kill Dumac, with the Short Blade of Proper Commerce, which Vivec uses earlier in the Lessons to kill City-Face. I will be going over some of that here, but have already done a fuller treatment of CHIM. It was a trick to get Azura as witness there so he can banish her. Another element of that radical freedom could potentially also be that Vivec wants to be a Prisoner, wants to be a player character. Chances are that you've heard of the (in)famous 36 Lessons of Vivec. Now I’ve dropped that little piece on you, I’ll leave you to think on what the cobbles of draw-bone destiny could be, and leave it until we can have a whole podcast on the nature of souls in TES. This is especially prominent if C0DA is taken into account, as Vivec at the very least manipulated Jubal into helping hir, and also possibly set Numidium’s return in motion through offering the golem to Tiber Septim. ), and Michael Kirkbride wrote the 36 Lessons. But, at the same time, unconsciously, they accept the notion of darker, hidden currents beneath Vivec’s benevolent aspects. The 36 Lessons of Vivec are a set of books scattered throughout .. By that I mean the catastrophes, which will come from all five corners. Those different authors had different voices, resulting in quite a large tone difference in how Vivec is developed. Vivec is willingly submitting to the domination of Bal in order to learn how to move beyond limits imposed on hir. Michael Kirkbride is a former writer and designer for Bethesda Softworks. Kirkbride wrote for both Morrowind and Oblivion, as well as for the Action-Adventure spin-off Redguard. There are some hints that something like more traditional reincarnation is possible, but rather than go down that rabbit hole I’ll leave you with this quote from MK on the matter, originally posted in a forum in 2005, speaking as Nu-Hatta: Mantling and incarnation are separate roads; do not mistake this. A Podcast from the Grey Maybe of the Elder Scrolls, Spotify | Anchor | Apple Podcasts | Full List. The network host, Tom, has started another podcast, called Myth. god? Come on, this is the guy who wrote the 36 Lessons of Vivec where he paired himself with freaking Molag Bal. Despite no longer working for Bethesda, he still writes various unlicensed texts that can be found on The Imperial Library. The second point, of murdering the ruling king again and again, is a reference to the failed Incarnates, in my view. MUATRA is a representation of Vivec as a hermaphrodite, and as such takes milk as well, performing the role of a receptacle, which is the feminine vagina, uterus and womb. I think that the killing of the children is possibly a metaphor for Vivec reshaping Chimeri/Dunmeri society into something that ze wants, getting rid of any worship of Sanguine, Vaermina and the rest of them. Of course it could, it’s Vivec. He also wrote the 36 sermons himself, being that he knew the past i'm sure he knew of pelenial and could have easily wrote it this way on purpose. In that, Emperor Leto II had planned a “Golden Path” for humanity, which resulted in a millennia-long theocratic rule across the galaxy, that stagnated and centralised galactic culture to the point where it was shattered on his death, and the remnants of a rejuvenated humanity were scattered among the stars. Today we’re asking, who is Vivec? Or at least that’s my reading of it; I could be entirely wrong there. That is, a being that takes souls from the place of the living to the place of the dead. As a poet, however, ze is also one of the biggest liars in TES. Can sometimes be bought from Neloth in Tel Mithryn. He is to come as male or female. Vivec craves that, and thereby potentially craves Amaranth. I think there are possibly two things going on here. There seems to be no account where Vivec has a conventional gender to begin with, whatever way its spun, which in a way incapsulates Vivec’s attitude, I feel. Take a second to support Aramithius on Patreon! Much of what Vivec has done and said makes determining the full truth entirely impossible, and possibly not desirable either, so this is not the final word. MUATRA is Vivec’s “spear”, and also a representation of hir sexual organs. I think. >>9864637 The first of these is tricky as it means that there was literal reincarnation of souls going on, which I’m not sure is strictly a thing in The Elder Scrolls; where things are “brought back”, it’s typically through the process of mantling, rather than reincarnation. Vivec's Fire is mentioned more than a few times in the 36 Lessons. Jubal is considered by some fans to effectively be a Nerevarine, because he takes similar steps to the Nerevarine over the course of C0DA’s storyline. That’s up to us to decide, in our own liminal space where it could be either. Why would a noble and a general be serving in a caravan? This is because Bal actually says “CHIM” in the text, one of only two times it’s in the Lessons. To be able to choose and decide which is which requires an intimate knowledge of both, and thereby mastery over them. In virtually all of these (well, all of them if you ignore the 36 Lessons ), the one who kills Dumac is the culture representing the narrative’s perspective. If we can take that at face value, it’s likely that Vivec is not simply power-crazed, but has an “ends justifies the means” outlook. Or it’s just a nod to the idea of dying again and again in the game until you complete the main quest. There’s also a bit more to this quote that I think links this element of The Elder Scrolls to the Dune series, particularly God-Emperor of Dune.